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:Does this problem still exist?--[[User:Bob M|Bob M]] ([[User talk:Bob M|talk]]) 07:14, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
:Does this problem still exist?--[[User:Bob M|Bob M]] ([[User talk:Bob M|talk]]) 07:14, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
::Yes. If you click on my userpage, for example, it says "403: Forbidden Access to this resource on the server is denied!" [[User:Gooniepunk2005|Gooniepunk2005]] ([[User talk:Gooniepunk2005|talk]]) 08:58, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
::Yes. If you click on my userpage, for example, it says "403: Forbidden Access to this resource on the server is denied!" [[User:Gooniepunk2005|Gooniepunk2005]] ([[User talk:Gooniepunk2005|talk]]) 08:58, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
:::I've written to Roger to see if he has any ideas.--[[User:Bob M|Bob M]] ([[User talk:Bob M|talk]]) 11:13, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
== [[Pronunciation exercises: "th"]]; Spelling anomalies ==
== [[Pronunciation exercises: "th"]]; Spelling anomalies ==

Revision as of 11:13, 13 September 2016

Teacher.gif Hi, and welcome to Teflpedia's teachers' room

This is the place for general discussion about the Wiki; questions; chat; moaning about your school; praising your students or anything else that comes to mind.

Newest items are at bottom

To add a topic to bottom of this page: log in (top right) and then click + above

Hi, There's tea or coffee for those who want it. --Bob M



I see that old timestamps are in UTC[1] and now they are in CST[2]/CDT[3]. Could we return to the more international version? Ghoti (talk) 13:43, 13 November 2013 (CST)

Yes, we can change back. We just need to figure out how. The CST/CST time is our server time. It is a shared web host in Texas that we moved to a while back. I don't know how to change the time setting. I'll look into it. Roger (talk) 18:14, 20 November 2013 (CST)
This method has been confirmed by multiple users in situations where the primary method has not worked.
Thanks for your effort. I wouldn't have imagined it was such a pain. Let's hope the primary method works. Now I realize the change from UTC to CST/CDT probably wasn't intentional. Having a different hour from your own is not that bad. The problem is the summer time (aka DST), that happens in unexpected dates. Ghoti (talk) 19:00, 20 November 2013 (CST)
Okay, I just now put '$wgLocaltimezone = "UTC"' in LocalSettings.php. Please let me know if this is better or if it causes any trouble. Roger (talk) 03:32, 21 November 2013 (UTC)
It works very well. Thanks. Ghoti (talk) 04:41, 21 November 2013 (UTC)


I added phonetic symbols to MediaWiki:Edittools. Ghoti (talk) 12:24, 14 November 2013 (CST)

MediaWiki upgrade 1.20.2 to 1.22.2

I upgraded Teflpedia's MediaWiki server software from MediaWiki 1.20.2 to 1.22.2. Roger (talk) 18:51, 22 February 2014 (UTC)

Enhanced Editor Toolbar and Wizards

The enhanced editing toolbar and links and tables wizards are bundled in MediaWiki 1.22.2 and look good to me. So I followed Wikipedia's lead and enabled them both by default. Try the new _Advanced_, _Special characters_ and _Help_ links there to the right of those buttons at top of the edit field. ‎Ghoti, you might like the IPA insertion tool that is in _Special characters_. Does it work well?

Users may turn either or both off by unchecking the relevant boxes in Preferences > Editing:

[x] Enable enhanced editing toolbar
[x] Enable wizards for inserting links, tables as well as the search and replace function

--Roger (talk) 02:12, 23 February 2014 (UTC)

Succint history of teaching methods, presentation of the Direct Grammar & Writing Method.


Our fellow teachers may find interesting information, and perhaps some inspiration or ideas. perusing an essay of our authorship that was published some time ago in the World Wide Web protocol of the Internet.

The essay offers a succint but fairly well detailed and rather technical explanation of methods used for the teaching of languages throughout History. It also presents a method created by this author, a polyglot and worldwide traveller with an experience of over twenty years in language teaching and other language - related activities.

Serious warning before sending the next segment:

The essay itself is politically neutral, but the Web document that contains the essay also touches other topics (unrelated to language teaching) and is VERY STRONGLY DEFINED in its political position.

Some of our professional colleagues may feel uneasy with that ideological orientation, and may be tempted by an impulse to comment on it in an unfavourable light.

Please refrain from doing so. Those who happen to be in the case mentioned above, should not pay attention to the heading of the page. Instead, they should concentrate on the rich, well researched, well written, and highly informative text that they have before them just a few paragraphs below.

Showing RESPECT, by simply avoiding comments on the general document, will ensure the further participation of this author in this T.E.F.L. Encyclopedia, but sporting a careless or critical attitude will greatly diminish, or definitely eliminate, the chances of our sustained collaboration.

Be kind to focus all comments ON THE ESSAY, not on the Web document that contains such essay and many other essays.

(to be continued)This unsigned comment was made by

Hi and thank you for joining in. I will certainly click on the link when you post it. I'm sure that you will agree however that until such time that a particular document has actually been read it is impossible to say how any particular reader may react.--Bob M (talk) 06:22, 19 April 2014 (UTC)

I can't edit some pages with exclamation marks or apostrophes

I get a 403 error. In particular, I can't edit many tables. For example, I can't edit Heteronym or Template:IPA.

I can enter "abc!" but not a single ! between quotes (like this "¡" but with !). As I was able to infer, I can't edit Punctuation.

I can enter "a" or "b" but not 'a' or 'b" using single quotes (last quote is double).

Ghoti (talk) 19:37, 25 September 2014 (UTC)

Odd. I've asked Roger if he could have a look.--Bob M (talk) 15:28, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
Thanks. Ghoti (talk) 19:05, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
Thanks Ghoti for posting this notice here in the Teacher's room, and thanks Bob for the email heads up as I have not been following Teflpedia lately and would have missed this. Yes, this is odd. It might be something to do with Dathorn's (our webhost's) security filters. Not sure. But I seem to have fixed Heteronym and Template:IPA pages so that they are editable again. The Punctuation page's problem may be similar but I haven't got it fixed yet. So far I have only identified that a 403 problem is introduced into the wiki code of that page in this edit: http://teflpedia.com/index.php?title=Heteronym&diff=35948&oldid=35088 . I'll have to study that some more. This 403 error probably got triggered after Dathorn updated their security filters. I'll try to pinpoint the text on the Punctuation page that is triggering the error, later tonight or tomorrow. Also, we will want to find other pages containing these problems and fix them. Will take some study... :-) Roger (talk) 00:36, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, Roger, for your research. I understand that if we want to write 'a' or 'b' we can't type simply 'a' or 'b'. Now we must do a trick, such as ' instead of one of the apostrophes ('a' or 'b'). Ghoti (talk) 02:04, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

I added some of my findings (together with Roger's explanation) in Teflpedia:Error 403. Ghoti (talk) 12:45, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

Thanks Ghoti for creating that Teflpedia:Error 403 error fact page. Dang that was a tricky business finding the multiple triggers, but I got the Punctuation page cleaned up now. I think it only had three problems on it but it took me a while to isolate them. I did it by pasting one section at a time from that page into the Teflpedia:Sandbox page and trying the "Show preview" button. It looks like the word "or" followed by something in plain single quotes triggers the 403 security filter, but double quotes or curly single quotes are okay. We can cut and paste the curly quotes from the "Cut-n-paste" list below the edit window when we want to follow the word "or" with something in single quotes, to avoid the 403 error. Dang, that pattern may be on more pages. Alas, we will find them. And there is the issue of the word "class" in table markup, also. --Roger (talk) 01:05, 5 October 2014 (UTC)
Another solution (that I added to Teflpedia:Error 403) is to replace or by or. Also we could replace the o by o as in or. Ghoti (talk) 13:38, 7 October 2014 (UTC)


Since we have a lot of spam it would be nice if we had one or both of the following:

  • new questions in the captcha
  • captcha when publishing anonymously. This feature is not present in Wikipedia, but is in http://www.explainxkcd.com/ which uses MediaWiki.

Ghoti (talk) 12:37, 28 January 2015 (UTC)

I asked Roger if there was anything we could do a while ago. I'll remind him now. cheers. --Bob M (talk) 16:55, 3 February 2015 (UTC)

Copied from Teflpedia talk:Spam prevention:

Currently, and since 24 November 2014, we are getting spam almost every day. On 19 January 2015 we began getting pseudo-German gibberish. Around 5 new users each day create a user page and an article page. The contents has Cyrillic or Greek letters replacing Roman ones. For example "niςht" instead of "nicht". Ghoti (talk) 14:56, 4 February 2015 (UTC)

New questions in the captcha

It would very nice to have new questions in the captcha, and delete the old ones. Ghoti (talk) 21:47, 24 March 2015 (UTC)

Please email new captcha question:answer pairs we could use on TEFLpedia to me at rogerchrisman@gmail.com. Thanks --Roger (talk) 18:40, 29 March 2015 (UTC)
They can be questions like "What's the past tense of take?" or "How much is two plus three?". Of course, the current questions can't be used. Regards. Ghoti (talk) 21:06, 29 March 2015 (UTC)
Thanks Ghoti. I set a new question just now and removed the old ones. Let's see if it helps. I hope it will. --Roger (talk) 23:27, 29 March 2015 (UTC)
Thanks, Roger. It's too soon to know, but last night we didn't get any spam, something that has very seldom happened this year. Ghoti (talk) 13:24, 30 March 2015 (UTC).
Three nights in a row, it obviously worked. Thanks again. Ghoti (talk) 12:31, 2 April 2015 (UTC)
I liked the question. Ghoti (talk) 19:57, 24 April 2015 (UTC)

403 again

I get a 403 error identical to the example shown in Teflpedia:Error 403 but for different reasons.

Now I can't see any user page, for example User:Bob_M or User:jddjhddhduyeuye. I can see talk pages, though. If I replace the colon by %3a I can see the page, as in http://teflpedia.com/User%3aBob_M. This does not work every time.

I added this information to Teflpedia:Error 403#March 2016.

Regards, Ghoti (talk) 18:10, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

Does this problem still exist?--Bob M (talk) 07:14, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
Yes. If you click on my userpage, for example, it says "403: Forbidden Access to this resource on the server is denied!" Gooniepunk2005 (talk) 08:58, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
I've written to Roger to see if he has any ideas.--Bob M (talk) 11:13, 13 September 2016 (UTC)

Pronunciation exercises: "th"; Spelling anomalies

Hi Ghoti First my apologies. I'm new to editing Teflpaedia (or Wikipaedia) and didn't read all the instructions. Nor did I realise that you had written the page and you were the 'chief editor'. I'm a retired schoolteacher with speech and drama qualifications, also with many years teaching English as a foreign language both prior to and following my retirement. When I checked out the th sound recently for a student in the many language books I've studied since my speech qualifications in the 70s, I also came across your page, which was extremely helpful.is However, I would disagree with your inclusion of clothes as an example for the silent th; 'Silent "th": clothes /kləʊz, kləʊðz/' I believe that without a ð before the z it becomes lazy, almost slovenly spoken English. I would always add the ð. Look forward to your reply. DByron

Hi DByron. I'm not the owner of Teflpedia, nor the owner of any of the articles. You are welcome to modify my mistakes. In this case I should put a reference, which is [4]. Maybe you can add a usage note. Thanks for your feedback, and feel free to modify any articles. Ghoti (talk) 04:59, 29 July 2016 (UTC)

Many thanks Ghoti for your prompt response. I notice your link to the Oxford Learner's Dictionaries (and indeed other dictionaries) does add the silent th. This doesn't 'sound right' to me and can be confused with the verb close! However, I've found some don't include the silent th for 'clothes' - Encarter English and Cambridge English, though I must admit the American audio sounds very much without the th. I'll try to correct it properly this time, but do check my alteration. I will of course bow to your longer experience on Wiki editing and will gladly accept your revision should you've found the silent th is commonly used in your experience. I was considering what we teach students, rather than what we often hear! DByron

I'm not a native speaker, so you judgement is much better than mine. I also think that /kləʊz/ can be confused with the verb "close"; however the alternative */kləʊð/ may sound even sloppier (I'm thinking in students who struggle at consonant clusters). Note that I suppressed the sentence "Silent th" in the article. Ghoti (talk) 13:41, 29 July 2016 (UTC)

That looks fine now. I can certainly agree with taking out "Silent th" and adding the reference to the Oxford Advanced Learner's Dictionaries to show their pronunciation /kləʊz/. Thanks for the chat and debate. I wish you well in all you're doing for these pages. DByron

Thanks. Ghoti (talk) 21:04, 6 September 2016 (UTC)