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On login, you may be asked to create a more secure password. You can use your old password however, if you just click the [Skip] button there under the login field. [[User:Roger|Roger]] ([[User talk:Roger|talk]]) 13:21, 3 January 2019 (CST)
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'''Nearly two thousand people''' come to Teflpedia, every day. Ships passing in the night? ''You and me'' tap into the '''Teacher's room''' -- Welcome ashore! On [[user:Roger|''my userpage'']] you'll see a little about me. Welcome to [[Special:CreateAccount|'''create an account''']] and tell us a little on [[Help:Userpage|''your userpage'']] -- it is free -- open to teachers of English, like you. '''''Welcome!''''' --[[User:Roger|Roger]] ([[User talk:Roger|talk]]) 18:15, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
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can someone move it please?
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:Done. Thank you. Dag Gnome It! Where's that stick! --[[User:Roger|Roger]] ([[User talk:Roger|talk]]) 17:36, 6 April 2019 (UTC)
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Hello loquacious anonymous user! Welcome to Teflpedia. '''Come in, come in!''' If I delete some of your pages, please know it is because I have gone triggger happy while spam hunting and didn't see you. Sorry! I have been doing it for so long that I just shoot anything that moves that is not wearing a bright orange cap, ie that is not a username that I recognize. Just [[Special:UserLogin]] <- create an account and log in. You will then have a userpage on which to introduce yourself, and a user talk page where, well, somewhere! Meanwhile, come in out of that dark hallway, and tell me about yourself. This is the Teachers room, you are safe here -- just click the edit link on this section's heading, above, and you will be in. How did you find Teflpedia, what is your connection to TEFL and how would you like to help us? (That could go on your userpage, but here till you create one) Have a bagel πŸ₯―. πŸ˜€ β€”-[[User:Roger|Roger]] ([[User talk:Roger|talk]]) 21:13, 17 April 2019 (UTC)
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Call yourselves English teachers?  You should hang your heads in shame!  On the main page as well! It should be '''discreet''' on this page, not '''discrete'''.  It's almost as bad as all my colleagues who don't know the difference between practice and practise.
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:It’s a [[wiki]] with low hanging fruit 🍎. Enjoy πŸ˜‰. Edit. However, please be kind to the wikians. [[User:Roger|Roger]] ([[User talk:Roger|talk]]) 16:48, 22 April 2019 (UTC)
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When you copy content, such as a text snip copied from Wikipedia or elsewhere, to Teflpedia, please say so in the edit summary. Also, please only do it when the copyright license terms of the source permit it.
  
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Since we have a lot of spam it would be nice if we had one or both of the following:
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We are teachers. Please lead the way.
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[[User:Ghoti|Ghoti]] ([[User talk:Ghoti|talk]]) 12:37, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
 
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:I asked Roger if there was anything we could do a while ago.  I'll remind him now.  cheers. --[[User:Bob M|Bob M]] ([[User talk:Bob M|talk]]) 16:55, 3 February 2015 (UTC)
 
  
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For example, on both Teflpedia and Wikipedia in the left sidebar under "Wiki tools" each article has a "Cite this page" link that is helpful. It contains, among other things, a "Permanent link" to that version of the article. You could use that "permanent link" to the Wikipedia article you copied text from to compose an edit summary attributing that copied text to that source, like this:
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:Currently, and since 24 November 2014, we are getting spam almost every day. On 19 January 2015 we began getting pseudo-German gibberish. Around 5 new users each day create a user page and an article page. The contents has Cyrillic or Greek letters replacing Roman ones. For example "niΟ‚ht" instead of "nicht". [[User:Ghoti|Ghoti]] ([[User talk:Ghoti|talk]]) 14:56, 4 February 2015 (UTC)
 
  
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Text copied from Wikipedia page, Permanent link: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Fiction&oldid=891349937
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It would very nice to have new questions in the captcha, and delete the old ones. [[User:Ghoti|Ghoti]] ([[User talk:Ghoti|talk]]) 21:47, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
 
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:Please email new captcha question:answer pairs we could use on TEFLpedia to me at rogerchrisman@gmail.com. Thanks --[[User:Roger|Roger]] ([[User talk:Roger|talk]]) 18:40, 29 March 2015 (UTC)
 
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::They can be questions like "What's the past tense of take?" or "How much is two plus three?". Of course, the current questions can't be used. Regards. [[User:Ghoti|Ghoti]] ([[User talk:Ghoti|talk]]) 21:06, 29 March 2015 (UTC)
 
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:::Thanks Ghoti. I set a new question just now and removed the old ones. Let's see if it helps. I hope it will. --[[User:Roger|Roger]] ([[User talk:Roger|talk]]) 23:27, 29 March 2015 (UTC)
 
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::::Thanks, Roger. It's too soon to know, but last night we didn't get any spam, something that has very seldom happened this year. [[User:Ghoti|Ghoti]] ([[User talk:Ghoti|talk]]) 13:24, 30 March 2015 (UTC).
 
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::::Three nights in a row, it obviously worked. Thanks again. [[User:Ghoti|Ghoti]] ([[User talk:Ghoti|talk]]) 12:31, 2 April 2015 (UTC)
 
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::::I liked the question. [[User:Ghoti|Ghoti]] ([[User talk:Ghoti|talk]]) 19:57, 24 April 2015 (UTC)
 
  
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Few! I had QuestyCaptcha disabled for a few minutes after the MW1.31.1 upgrade and new spam accounts flew in ''fast''. I re-enabled QuestyCaptcha (it is part of ConfirmEdit) and that stopped them. So, we still '''need''' this! [[User:Roger|Roger]] ([[User talk:Roger|talk]]) 15:04, 3 January 2019 (CST)
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Because Wikipedia is licensed under Creative Commons By Attribution Share Alike (CC BY-SA), we must both provide that attribution ''and'' share alike, which we do βˆ’ Teflpedia is also licensed CC BY-SA.
  
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'''January 3, 2019.''' I switched Teflpedia to use [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ConfirmEdit#ReCaptcha_(NoCaptcha) '''reCaptcha (NoCaptcha)'''] instead of QuestyCaptcha. Let me know if it causes any problems. [[User:Roger|Roger]] ([[User talk:Roger|talk]]) 01:08, 4 January 2019 (CST)
 
  
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Also, '''please''' [[special:userLogin|'''login''']] when editing, via the menu at top right.
  
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I get a 403 error identical to the example shown in [[Teflpedia:Error 403]] but for different reasons.
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Thank you!
  
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Now I can't see any user page, for example [[User:Bob_M]] or [[User:jddjhddhduyeuye]]. I can see talk pages, though. If I replace the colon by %3a I can see the page, as in http://teflpedia.com/User%3aBob_M. This does not work every time.
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[[User:Roger|Roger]] ([[User talk:Roger|talk]]) 19:22, 22 April 2019 (UTC)
  
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== Proposal: delete all the crappy articles about blogs that haven't been updated since 2012 ==
  
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What do you think?
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:Does this problem still exist?--[[User:Bob M|Bob M]] ([[User talk:Bob M|talk]]) 07:14, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
 
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::Yes. If you click on my userpage, for example, it says "403: Forbidden Access to this resource on the server is denied!" [[User:Gooniepunk2005|Gooniepunk2005]] ([[User talk:Gooniepunk2005|talk]]) 08:58, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
 
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::::Fixed. A mod_security rule was being triggered by User:<username> page requests. AndrewT at our Webhost, Dathorn, corrected that so that User:<username> pages are loading nicely again. --[[User:Roger|Roger]] ([[User talk:Roger|talk]]) 01:33, 20 September 2016 (UTC)
 
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:::::Thanks a lot! [[User:Ghoti|Ghoti]] ([[User talk:Ghoti|talk]]) 13:13, 20 September 2016 (UTC)
 
  
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Note: I noticed today that quote (") marks cannot be used in wiki '''bold text.''' It triggers a 403 Forbidden error. So don't put quotes within '''bold text.''' [[User:Roger|Roger]] ([[User talk:Roger|talk]]) 00:54, 4 January 2019 (CST)
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:I think we will do well to limit articles about blogs to either (a) none (and let people use search engines to find blogs) or, (b) possibly attempt to limit Teflpedia's coverage of blogs to only a small set of highly valuable to teachers of English blogs. Teflpedia is not an internet directory. Please put '''<nowiki>{{delete | write reason for deletion here. ~~~~}}</nowiki>''' at top of any page you would like deleted. More at [[Template:delete]]. --[[User:Roger|Roger]] ([[User talk:Roger|talk]]) 16:19, 2 May 2019 (UTC)
  
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There is a problem in the database; the articles on [[Twitter]] and [[LinkedIn]] appear to be affected. they are appearing in [[special:recentchanges]] but as an empty pagetitle.
  
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Ah, so if I write <nowiki><nowiki>[[Twitter]]</nowiki></nowiki> it appears like this: [[Twitter]].  Helpful.
  
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:The [[Twitter]] and [[LinkedIn]] articles are appearing normally for me. No database problem I think. If you have any questions, please feel free to ask. Please sign Teachers' room messages with <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> so that your username and a date stamp will appear there. Cheers! [[User:Roger|Roger]] ([[User talk:Roger|talk]]) 17:54, 10 May 2019 (UTC)
  
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I am an experienced teacher looking to get into training and have a good idea. Part of my idea is having an online platform that students can use to complete 120 hours of study (this is not the entire idea).
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No I think it's onyl affecting [[linkedin]] ([[LinkedIn]]) and [[The website where people tweet]] ([[twitter]]) because there's some kind of blacklist against these words?
  
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I am lost as where to begin finding the necessary help when it comes to creating and managing the site. Content will be created by myself and other professionals but I am at a loss when trying to figure out how to get the online course up and running.
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:I can edit Teflpedia's [[LinkedIn]] and [[Twitter]] articles normally and the edits show up normally in Recent changes. If you are accessing the internet from a country that blocks access to LinkedIn or Twitter, that could explain the problem. If not, please explain further so that I can help. --[[User:Roger|Roger]] ([[User talk:Roger|talk]]) 23:41, 18 May 2019 (UTC)
  
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:: Yes, I now think it's something funny with my browser, maybe a plugin.  Thanks for taking a look. [[User:Duncan|Duncan]] ([[User talk:Duncan|talk]]) 06:28, 21 May 2019 (UTC)
  
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This is an encyclopedia- it is not suitable to used as an online platform. https://teachable.com/ is just one place to try making your own online course. You can of course refer students to teflpedia pages.{{unsigned|β€Ž124.140.209.38|23:43, 27 April 2017 UTC}}
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Right now this wiki has only one active sysop, and one semi-retired sysop. I think it will do the wiki some good if we add another sysop to the ranks.--[[User:Odin|Odin]] ([[User talk:Odin|talk]]) 09:38, 13 December 2018 (UTC)
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It was a nice experiment, but it's an experiment that hasn't worked and isn't working. [[User:Duncan|Duncan]] ([[User talk:Duncan|talk]]) 05:42, 20 June 2019 (UTC)
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:[trying again, yes, I see your point.] If anyone really want's to keep the Debate namespace, do speak up here please. Thank you Duncan for this proposal. I like that the Debate namespace is a place I can send people if they overdo discussions elsewhere on the wiki. That's not happening however, nor have I ever done it so don't know if I would like what might happen if I did. Hm, there are technical details involved in removing a Namespace from the wiki that I do not want to play with right now. So, instead of removing the Debate content and namespace, I would rather simply remove mention of the Debate namespace from the sticky in the Teachers' room, and any other high visibility place it is mentioned. We could perhaps use the sticky for something new, instead. Or just remove and not use the sticky for now. And of course, some day the Debate namespace could be dropped from the database and wiki configuration, after some study into how to do that. I don't think I would miss the Debate namespace, myself. [[User:Roger|Roger]] ([[User talk:Roger|talk]]) 04:52, 21 June 2019 (UTC)
  
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:: Thank you for your comments. [[User:Duncan|Duncan]] ([[User talk:Duncan|talk]]) 05:55, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
  
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::: I've deleted the high visibility links to Debate namespace. As Duncan noted, it is not being used anyway. Anyone who wishes to use it for debating the finer points of TEFL, is welcome to. Thank you Duncan, for noticing what is, and isn't, happening around here :). --[[User:Roger|Roger]] ([[User talk:Roger|talk]]) 23:57, 23 June 2019 (UTC)
  
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:::: I think we need to have a discussion about strategy in general, actually. I think if we get the strategy right, the rest will follow. [[User:Duncan|Duncan]] ([[User talk:Duncan|talk]]) 05:55, 25 June 2019 (UTC)

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Teacher.gif Hi, and welcome to Teflpedia's teachers' room πŸ™‡

This is the place for general discussion about the Wiki -- questions, chat, moaning about your school, praising your students or anything else that comes to mind.

Newest at bottom

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Upgrade to MediaWiki 1.31.1[edit]

I have upgraded Teflpedia to MediaWiki 1.31.1.

On login, you may be asked to create a more secure password. You can use your old password however, if you just click the [Skip] button there under the login field. Roger (talk) 13:21, 3 January 2019 (CST)

People like you[edit]

Hello!

Nearly two thousand people come to Teflpedia, every day. Ships passing in the night? You and me tap into the Teacher's room -- Welcome ashore! On my userpage you'll see a little about me. Welcome to create an account and tell us a little on your userpage -- it is free -- open to teachers of English, like you. Welcome! --Roger (talk) 18:15, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

the article on mistake is all about error correction[edit]

can someone move it please?

Done. Thank you. Dag Gnome It! Where's that stick! --Roger (talk) 17:36, 6 April 2019 (UTC)

Please β†’ Special:UserLogin[edit]

Hello loquacious anonymous user! Welcome to Teflpedia. Come in, come in! If I delete some of your pages, please know it is because I have gone triggger happy while spam hunting and didn't see you. Sorry! I have been doing it for so long that I just shoot anything that moves that is not wearing a bright orange cap, ie that is not a username that I recognize. Just Special:UserLogin <- create an account and log in. You will then have a userpage on which to introduce yourself, and a user talk page where, well, somewhere! Meanwhile, come in out of that dark hallway, and tell me about yourself. This is the Teachers room, you are safe here -- just click the edit link on this section's heading, above, and you will be in. How did you find Teflpedia, what is your connection to TEFL and how would you like to help us? (That could go on your userpage, but here till you create one) Have a bagel πŸ₯―. πŸ˜€ β€”-Roger (talk) 21:13, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

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discrete v discreet[edit]

Call yourselves English teachers? You should hang your heads in shame! On the main page as well! It should be discreet on this page, not discrete. It's almost as bad as all my colleagues who don't know the difference between practice and practise.

It’s a wiki with low hanging fruit 🍎. Enjoy πŸ˜‰. Edit. However, please be kind to the wikians. Roger (talk) 16:48, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

When you copy text from elsewhere, please say so in the edit summary[edit]

Dear editors,

When you copy content, such as a text snip copied from Wikipedia or elsewhere, to Teflpedia, please say so in the edit summary. Also, please only do it when the copyright license terms of the source permit it.

We are teachers. Please lead the way.

For example, on both Teflpedia and Wikipedia in the left sidebar under "Wiki tools" each article has a "Cite this page" link that is helpful. It contains, among other things, a "Permanent link" to that version of the article. You could use that "permanent link" to the Wikipedia article you copied text from to compose an edit summary attributing that copied text to that source, like this:

Text copied from Wikipedia page, Permanent link: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Fiction&oldid=891349937

Because Wikipedia is licensed under Creative Commons By Attribution Share Alike (CC BY-SA), we must both provide that attribution and share alike, which we do βˆ’ Teflpedia is also licensed CC BY-SA.

Plagiarism is also a consideration; fair use allows quoting other's copyrighted material, and scholarly etiquette demands a citation when we do.

Also, please login when editing, via the menu at top right.

Thank you!

Roger (talk) 19:22, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

Proposal: delete all the crappy articles about blogs that haven't been updated since 2012[edit]

What do you think?

I think we will do well to limit articles about blogs to either (a) none (and let people use search engines to find blogs) or, (b) possibly attempt to limit Teflpedia's coverage of blogs to only a small set of highly valuable to teachers of English blogs. Teflpedia is not an internet directory. Please put {{delete | write reason for deletion here. ~~~~}} at top of any page you would like deleted. More at Template:delete. --Roger (talk) 16:19, 2 May 2019 (UTC)

Database problem[edit]

There is a problem in the database; the articles on Twitter and LinkedIn appear to be affected. they are appearing in special:recentchanges but as an empty pagetitle.

Ah, so if I write <nowiki>[[Twitter]]</nowiki> it appears like this: Twitter. Helpful.

The Twitter and LinkedIn articles are appearing normally for me. No database problem I think. If you have any questions, please feel free to ask. Please sign Teachers' room messages with ~~~~ so that your username and a date stamp will appear there. Cheers! Roger (talk) 17:54, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

No I think it's onyl affecting linkedin (LinkedIn) and The website where people tweet (twitter) because there's some kind of blacklist against these words?

I can edit Teflpedia's LinkedIn and Twitter articles normally and the edits show up normally in Recent changes. If you are accessing the internet from a country that blocks access to LinkedIn or Twitter, that could explain the problem. If not, please explain further so that I can help. --Roger (talk) 23:41, 18 May 2019 (UTC)
Yes, I now think it's something funny with my browser, maybe a plugin. Thanks for taking a look. Duncan (talk) 06:28, 21 May 2019 (UTC)

Proposal: Delete the debate namespace and all its content.[edit]

I note:

  • Nobody is debating
  • The Wiki format is not particularly suited to debates.
  • Better debate formats are available - see for example Twitter, or a bulletin board type format.

It was a nice experiment, but it's an experiment that hasn't worked and isn't working. Duncan (talk) 05:42, 20 June 2019 (UTC)

[trying again, yes, I see your point.] If anyone really want's to keep the Debate namespace, do speak up here please. Thank you Duncan for this proposal. I like that the Debate namespace is a place I can send people if they overdo discussions elsewhere on the wiki. That's not happening however, nor have I ever done it so don't know if I would like what might happen if I did. Hm, there are technical details involved in removing a Namespace from the wiki that I do not want to play with right now. So, instead of removing the Debate content and namespace, I would rather simply remove mention of the Debate namespace from the sticky in the Teachers' room, and any other high visibility place it is mentioned. We could perhaps use the sticky for something new, instead. Or just remove and not use the sticky for now. And of course, some day the Debate namespace could be dropped from the database and wiki configuration, after some study into how to do that. I don't think I would miss the Debate namespace, myself. Roger (talk) 04:52, 21 June 2019 (UTC)
Thank you for your comments. Duncan (talk) 05:55, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
I've deleted the high visibility links to Debate namespace. As Duncan noted, it is not being used anyway. Anyone who wishes to use it for debating the finer points of TEFL, is welcome to. Thank you Duncan, for noticing what is, and isn't, happening around here :). --Roger (talk) 23:57, 23 June 2019 (UTC)
I think we need to have a discussion about strategy in general, actually. I think if we get the strategy right, the rest will follow. Duncan (talk) 05:55, 25 June 2019 (UTC)