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==First level category names==
 
==First level category names==
  
===[[:Category:Linguistics|Linguistics]]===
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===[[:Category:Language|Language]]===
  
Or '''Language'''
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Grammar, orthography, phonology, contrastive-analysis, history of language, linguistics.
  
The linguistics of English and other languages--grammar, orthography, phonology, contrastive-analysis, history of language.
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===[[:Category:Teaching English|Teaching English]]===
:[[:category:grammar|grammar]]
 
:[[:category:spelling|spelling]]
 
  
===[[:Category:The teaching of English|The teaching of English]]===
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The teaching of English--procedures, activities, materials, lessons plans.
  
Or '''Teaching English'''
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Today contains [[:category:Teaching English|40 subcategories]]'''--too many.''' Maybe divided "English teaching" up into several less broad top level categories, or lead to intermediate-level sub-categories that predictably divvy up its contents. Or (I have done this) group the categories of primary interest at top of the list via category sort keys. --[[User:Roger|Roger]] 17:02, 14 November 2012 (CST)
  
The teaching of English--procedures, materials, lessons plans.
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===[[:Category:Methodology|Methodology]]===
  
Today contains [[:category:the teaching of English|42 sub-categories]]'''--too many.''' So either "The teaching of English" should be divided up into several less broad top level categories, or it should lead to intermediate-level sub-categories that predictably divvy up its contents.
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Methodology, approaches, strategies (starts to branch into Practice but that is fine; sub-categories can reside under more than one top level category when appropriate), pedagogy theory.
 
Possible intermediate-level sub-categories:
 
  
:[[:category:activities|activities]]
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===[[:Category:English teaching community|English teaching community]]===
:[[:category:young learners|young learners]]
 
:[[:category:adult learners|adult learners]]
 
:[[:category:English language proficiency level|English language proficiency level]]
 
:[[:category:testing|testing]]
 
:[[:category:writing|writing]]
 
:[[:category:reading|reading]]
 
:[[:category:speaking|speaking]]
 
:[[:category:listening|listening]]
 
:[[:category:lessons|lessons]]
 
:[[:category:Website reviews|Website reviews]]
 
:[[:category:Technology|Technology]]
 
  
===[[:Category:The theory of language learning|The theory of language learning]]===
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About our profession and the people in it--job issues, finding jobs, ELT conferences and organizations, language schools, ELT authors, bloggers in our field.
The theory of language learning--methodology, approaches, strategies (starts to branch into Practice but that is fine; sub-categories can reside under more than one top level category when appropriate), pedagogy theory.
 
:-isms
 
:approaches
 
:methodologies
 
  
'''rename.''' "The theory of language learning" may be a touch comical, as if language learning were a theory. Someone ''please'' suggest alternatives. Should we use something like "Methods and Approaches"? or "Theories of language learning"? The category [[:category:Methodology|Methodology]] we already have might do as this top level category but maybe we might broaden it a bit to include approaches, say "Methodology and approaches of teaching English"? Something that sets this category clearly apart from the nuts and bolts of procedures and materials for teaching English would be good. My thinking is for "The teaching of English" to cover the nuts and bolds and "Methods and approaches" to cover the thinking behind the design of the nuts and bolts. Someone please suggest top level category names that might say this. I will have [[User:Category-bot]] rename the category when find a good name for it. Thx! --[[User:Roger|Roger]] 22:34, 5 November 2012 (CST)
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===[[:Category:Help|Help]]===
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How to use Teflpedia. Already too many pages. Maybe organize them into sub-categories, such as:
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:Editing
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:Images
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:Links
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:Categories
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:Tables
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:Templates
  
===[[:Category:The profession of teaching English|The profession of teaching English]]===
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Or refactor (simplify and merge) the existing Help pages to a smaller set. It is probably best to link to advanced Help pages at MediaWiki.org instead of writing them ourselves here because advanced Help pages are time consuming to write well, and others have already done it there (they do get a little long winded there but better there than here for than). --[[User:Roger|Roger]] 17:02, 14 November 2012 (CST)
The profession of teaching English--ELT conference, ELT organizations, schools, employment issues, job search resources.
 
:conferences
 
:organizations (that are not schools)
 
:schools
 
:employment
 
  
===[[:Category:General stuff|General stuff]]===
 
General, er, stuff?
 
  
...please add comments...
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==Category name suggestions==
 
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If you have suggestions of other category names we should have, please add them below:
'''divide.''' I propose we divide this into the other top level categories and then removed it because it is too ambiguous. --[[User:Roger|Roger]] 17:02, 4 November 2012 (CST)
 
  
 
...
 
...
  
===[[:Category:Language stuff|Language stuff]]===
 
...please add comments...
 
  
'''merge.''' I propose we merge this into [[:category:Linguistics|Linguistics]]. --[[User:Roger|Roger]] 16:34, 4 November 2012 (CST)
 
  
...
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==Deleted categories==
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===<s>General stuff</s>===
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General, er, stuff?
  
===[[:Category:Teaching theory stuff|Teaching theory stuff]]===
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:Could '''"general stuff"''' be replaced by '''"stuff for the teacher"''' to include activities, games and lessons? That category is fairly important I think... --[[User:Jameson2000ad|Jameson2000ad]] 08:31, 24 November 2012 (CST)
...please comment...
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::[[:Category:Teaching English]] contains everything for teachers, activities, games, lessons, general practical material. So we don't need a "General stuff" cat I think. --[[User:Roger|Roger]] 18:51, 2 December 2012 (CST)
  
'''merge.''' I propose we merge this into [[:Category:The theory of language learning]]. --[[User:Roger|Roger]] 18:14, 5 November 2012 (CST)
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'''divide.''' I propose we divide this into the other top level categories and then removed it because it is too ambiguous. --[[User:Roger|Roger]] 17:02, 4 November 2012 (CST)
  
===[[:Category:Help|Help]]===
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:'''Done.''' --[[User:Roger|Roger]] 19:38, 2 December 2012 (CST)
How to use Teflpedia. Already too many pages. Maybe organize them into sub-categories, such as:
 
:Editing
 
:Images
 
:Links
 
:Categories
 
:Tables
 
:Templates
 
 
 
Or refactor (simplify and merge) the existing Help pages to a smaller set. It is probably best to link to advanced Help pages at MediaWiki.org instead of writing them ourselves here because advanced Help pages are time consuming to write well, and others have already done it there.
 
 
 
==Category name suggestions==
 
  
===A===
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===<s>Language stuff</s>===
How about these for first level cats?:
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'''merge.''' I propose we merge this into [[:category:Language|Language]]. --[[User:Roger|Roger]] 16:34, 4 November 2012 (CST)
  
*Language
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:'''Done.''' --[[User:Roger|Roger]] 19:37, 2 December 2012 (CST)
*Teaching English
 
*Methodology
 
*The teaching community
 
*Help
 
  
 
==Tools==
 
==Tools==
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==About trees==
 
==About trees==
  
We want a structure that is navigable, eg between 5 and 20 branches may connect to the trunk. On each of those branches between 5 and 20 sub-categories (sub-branches) which can each have between 5 and 100 leaves (pages) on them. This makes a navigable tree that branches out to approximately 10x10x100 (10,000) pages. That should do for some while I think. When we go beyond 10,000 pages we can add sub-sub-categories and accommodate 100,000 pages. After that? Maybe a page rating system to bring the best 100,000 pages to the top, each so ranked page could itself link to the rest of the pages like it that rank under it, which could compete for it's ranked spot.
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We want a structure that is navigable, eg between 5 and 20 branches may connect to the trunk. On each of those branches between 5 and 20 sub-categories (sub-branches) which can each have between 5 and 100 leaves (pages) on them. This makes a navigable tree that branches out to approximately 10x10x50 (5,000) pages. That should do for some while I think. When we go beyond 5,000 pages we can add sub-sub-categories and accommodate 50,000 pages. After that? Maybe a page rating system to bring the best 50,000 pages to the top, each so ranked page could itself link to the rest of the pages like it that rank under it, which could compete for it's ranked spot.
  
 
Branches may overlap some--a category can be a sub-category of more than one top-level category when appropriate. But avoid category loops where a category is made a sub-category of one of its own sub-categories because that sends folks in circles.
 
Branches may overlap some--a category can be a sub-category of more than one top-level category when appropriate. But avoid category loops where a category is made a sub-category of one of its own sub-categories because that sends folks in circles.
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==CategoryTree extension==
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The '''CategoryTree'''[https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:CategoryTree] extension provides the drop down tree functionality used on our [[Contents]] page.

Latest revision as of 21:28, 29 December 2018

This page discusses Teflpedia's Contents tree. Please insert your comments where they are relevant, or click 'Add topic' tab above. Sign your comments with ~~~~, please.

First level category names[edit]

Language[edit]

Grammar, orthography, phonology, contrastive-analysis, history of language, linguistics.

Teaching English[edit]

The teaching of English--procedures, activities, materials, lessons plans.

Today contains 40 subcategories--too many. Maybe divided "English teaching" up into several less broad top level categories, or lead to intermediate-level sub-categories that predictably divvy up its contents. Or (I have done this) group the categories of primary interest at top of the list via category sort keys. --Roger 17:02, 14 November 2012 (CST)

Methodology[edit]

Methodology, approaches, strategies (starts to branch into Practice but that is fine; sub-categories can reside under more than one top level category when appropriate), pedagogy theory.

English teaching community[edit]

About our profession and the people in it--job issues, finding jobs, ELT conferences and organizations, language schools, ELT authors, bloggers in our field.

Help[edit]

How to use Teflpedia. Already too many pages. Maybe organize them into sub-categories, such as:

Editing
Images
Links
Categories
Tables
Templates

Or refactor (simplify and merge) the existing Help pages to a smaller set. It is probably best to link to advanced Help pages at MediaWiki.org instead of writing them ourselves here because advanced Help pages are time consuming to write well, and others have already done it there (they do get a little long winded there but better there than here for than). --Roger 17:02, 14 November 2012 (CST)


Category name suggestions[edit]

If you have suggestions of other category names we should have, please add them below:

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Deleted categories[edit]

General stuff[edit]

General, er, stuff?

Could "general stuff" be replaced by "stuff for the teacher" to include activities, games and lessons? That category is fairly important I think... --Jameson2000ad 08:31, 24 November 2012 (CST)
Category:Teaching English contains everything for teachers, activities, games, lessons, general practical material. So we don't need a "General stuff" cat I think. --Roger 18:51, 2 December 2012 (CST)

divide. I propose we divide this into the other top level categories and then removed it because it is too ambiguous. --Roger 17:02, 4 November 2012 (CST)

Done. --Roger 19:38, 2 December 2012 (CST)

Language stuff[edit]

merge. I propose we merge this into Language. --Roger 16:34, 4 November 2012 (CST)

Done. --Roger 19:37, 2 December 2012 (CST)

Tools[edit]

Remember[edit]

To link to a category in-line
Use a leading colon (:) like this [[:category:grammar]], otherwise you categorizing the page instead of getting an in-line link to a category.

About trees[edit]

We want a structure that is navigable, eg between 5 and 20 branches may connect to the trunk. On each of those branches between 5 and 20 sub-categories (sub-branches) which can each have between 5 and 100 leaves (pages) on them. This makes a navigable tree that branches out to approximately 10x10x50 (5,000) pages. That should do for some while I think. When we go beyond 5,000 pages we can add sub-sub-categories and accommodate 50,000 pages. After that? Maybe a page rating system to bring the best 50,000 pages to the top, each so ranked page could itself link to the rest of the pages like it that rank under it, which could compete for it's ranked spot.

Branches may overlap some--a category can be a sub-category of more than one top-level category when appropriate. But avoid category loops where a category is made a sub-category of one of its own sub-categories because that sends folks in circles.

CategoryTree extension[edit]

The CategoryTree[1] extension provides the drop down tree functionality used on our Contents page.